Apple v. Psystar: Psystar Retains New Law Firms
- July 16th, 2009 - 4.20 pm UTC
- Apple Legal News, Psystar
- dizzle
On July 15, 2009, Psystar filed a Motion with the Court requesting allowance for substitution of counsel from the firm of Carr & Ferrell, LLP (the firm where Colby Springer is employed) to K.A.D Camara of Camara & Sibley, LLP of Houston, Texas and David Vernon Welker of Welker & Rosario of Davis, California. No specific reason is given other than that the substitution will be in the interest of justice, and Apple does not oppose the substitution. Such requests are routinely granted when they don’t require the changing of any dates in the Scheduling Order.
Now here is my speculation. It seems apparent that there was some conflict of interest over the outstanding legal bills which were disclosed in Psystar’s Bankruptcy filings, thus, a change was needed on those grounds. However, my attention was drawn immediately to the retention of Texas counsel. It could mean absolutely nothing, but Texas courts are well-known (though this reputation is disputed) for being friendly to Plaintiffs in intellectual property cases. For example:
Juries in East Texas, unlike those in Houston, Dallas or Austin, are much less likely to have a member with any technical training or education, which exacerbates the problem from the defense perspective, but makes East Texas federal courts an attractive venue for would-be plaintiffs, who know that the jury will, instead, gravitate toward softer or superficial issues that are difficult to predict.” The result is to facilitate the activities of what Tyler calls “patent pirates”: enterprises that exist to file patent suits rather than to manufacture products, and which benefit from asymmetrical costs of litigation (discovery in a patent case can cost the manufacturer-defendant a million dollars or more, while the plaintiff license-holder may have few or no documents worth discovering).
(via Overlawyered)
Even though that quote deals more with patent cases, the same reputation is true of intellectual property cases in general. Psystar would definitely benefit from a less technically savvy jury pool. So, you might ask, how is this relevant since Psystar is the Defendant? Well, don’t forget that they are also a Plaintiff in their countersuit, and not liking the cool reception in California, might want to try their hand in Texas. This is sheer speculation. I have no idea or basis as to how it would be possible to get this case moved or a sister case opened in Texas. It may be totally impossible. However, I find it hard to find it merely coincidental that a Texas attorney was retained. Perhaps it was simply for his experience in similar successful cases. I am positive more information will be forthcoming.
Comments
doug aghassi 16th July 2009, 19.44 pm
This trial is turning out to be quite interesting (strange), and lengthy as well.
Fizz 17th July 2009, 01.07 am
Yours is the only website that is reporting a lot of the developments in the Psystar case. Thanks for what you do!
dizzle 17th July 2009, 02.37 am
Thank you so much Fizz! I really do put a lot of work into this, and it feels good to know that it is appreciated. Be on the lookout over the next few days for a pretty in-depth article on something that has not been reported yet.
Fizz 17th July 2009, 10.17 am
I eagerly anticipate it!
Occam 17th July 2009, 12.40 pm
Are you being dishonest or just ignorant with the “juries in Texas” thing? There is a famously bad court in east Texas. As your own quote points out, though, juries in Houston, Dallas and Austin are more likely to have technical training or education. So either you didn’t read your own quote (and are ignorant) or you’re saying “juries in Texas” with the Clintonian dishonesty of secretly thinking “the east Texas fed is a jury in Texas” while hoping people misunderstand you and think it’s all Texas juries (and are dishonest).
Frankly, I’m guessing you’re option #3: sloppy. Notice the new lawyer isn’t from east Texas. He’s from Houston. Also, since Apple is the plaintiff, did you really HAVE a point with the Texas angle, anyway?? East Texas is famously friendly to the plaintiffs, so the defendant hires a Houston lawyer to maneuver the case to… yeah, that makes sense.
dizzle 17th July 2009, 13.36 pm
Occam, I both read not only the quote but that article and many others on the issues over the years. I purposely chose that quote to show that it was not uniform all over Texas, even though many other articles I could have chose from make it seem like it is all over Texas. If anyone misunderstood, with this comment they are now clarified. For some reason this is a trigger issue with you that causes you to reflexively slander.
There is famously bad district in Texas for intellectual property issues–that is the point.
Now as far as not reading and getting one’s panties in a bunch, let’s take a look at this quote from you:
How much do you know about Federal Court? I work in Palm Beach County Florida. Guess where most of the Federal Court cases I work on are at? Ummm, how about the west coast—Tampa division? Most attorneys who practice in Federal Court do so state-wide. My last big trial was in the NORTHERN DISTRICT of Florida. I have had only one case in THE SOUTHERN DISCTRICT in the past two years. So your geographic comment shows ignorance all right, but it isn’t mine.
Most good attorneys are from the larger cities where there are more clients and income opportunities. Houston would be a prime example.
Now as far as you NOT reading,
Let me quote myself:
I answered your objection right in the article itself? Did I write in invisible html that you missed it and decided to go postal? I also pointed out when I am sheerly speculating.
It is always obvious that you have not read my other articles on this case here (in which I spend a great deal of time defending Psystar against inaccuracies—excuse my skepticism, but I don’t believe you are a “neutral” observer), in which I point out that Psystar HAS THREATENED another suit in another venue–Florida. That means that they are thinking in the direction of other courts outside of California. When a Plaintiff (which is what Psystar is considering, if YOU WERE NOT IGNORANT—giving you the benefit of the doubt and not accusing you of the worst) is considering intellectual property cases, they think of Texas (more precisely east Texas).
Now I think I have sufficiently shown that you went off half-cocked. Cool your jets and perhaps we can have a rational discussion.
dizzle 17th July 2009, 13.38 pm
Oh and I do look forward to your humble retraction that Psystar is not a Plaintiff in the California case. They are. They are a counter-Plaintiff. You did know that before you freaked out, right?
And one more thing… since you name yourself Occam…. why is there no problem with Psystar having a Texas attorney (pro hac vice) even though there is a vast distance between the venues geographically?
Because Federal Court practice is 90% on paper and filed electronically. Geography is pretty meaningless (which defeats your Houston versus east Texas rant, if you think that is far, I sure hope you realize that California is farther).
Also, the fact that he is appearing pro hac vice (I assume since you presume to lecture me on ignorance that you know what that means) is also potentially pertinent to my speculation. Care to show us how that might be? Let’s see how analytical you can be.
(also for clarification–I say this repeatedly–I am not an attorney. When I say “my case” it means cases I am assigned to as a legal assistant under the supervision of a properly licensed and qualified attorney. I work 99% on Federal Court cases. %99.99 of them are not in the District where my place of employment is situated, but rather are hundreds of miles away)
dizzle 17th July 2009, 15.24 pm
@Fizz I would have had it up last night, but I have discovered an issue with the images I uploaded. My scanner started skewing them a bit lopsided, and as much as I try to ignore it, it bothers me so I am going to have to do a bit of ’shopping on the images to straighten them out and re-load them. I would say tonight or tomorrow I hope to have it done.
For those who remember I promised a write-up on my One-to-One training experiences, that hasn’t disappeared. I was seriously ill for about a month (which is why I was behind on the Psystar stuff), and haven’t been back. I want to have a few sessions under my belt before writing about it. I have an appt at 8am!!! tomorrow.
dizzle 17th July 2009, 21.07 pm
Oh occam, occam, what am I to do with you. In doing research for another article, I needed to revisit the overlawyered article I linked to, and it seems you missed this:
What was that again about Houston not having a thing to with “east Texas” (more precisely NORTHeast Texas since Houston is on the eastern side of Texas)
How far between Marshall and Houston>
Distance: 220 miles.
How far between West Palm Beach and Tampa?
Distance: 228 miles. Oops.
It seems that the majority of the cases I work on are the darn near the exact same distance away.
Let me check another venue that I work on cases in:
How far between West Palm Beach and Orlando?
Distance: 150 miles
Okay lets see how far it was to the last trial that I assisted on
How far between West Palm Beach and Panama City?
534 miles!!
Now why did I go through so much trouble? Unless you know me or more facts about me, you have no right to call me a liar. You call me a liar and the claws come out.
But I have to thank you, I came up with another article thanks to you.
Ken1701 17th July 2009, 21.27 pm
Dizzle,
Just a note of thanks’ for all you do, You are very articulate with your reporting and also as such makes it entertaining as well as educational.
Coming from a Law background myself, I very rarely comment or even post on blogs due to the time and constant nurturing it takes to post back and comfort the overwhelmingly amount of trolls and just negative disassociation of some Bloggers to just plain no matter what, start a confrontation without fact or knowledge.
With the occasional few that (Troll) here on your site, You have a good following of supportive readers that understand and can articulate the wonderful in depth reporting you do, Keep up the good work.
I have been a long time reader of you posts and now first time poster, Thank you for all your hard work, You are appreciated.
Ken
I am also am not a lawyer.. But “thats all..”
dizzle 17th July 2009, 22.29 pm
Thank you Ken, that really means a lot to me. I don’t get paid to write here, I do out of sheer love for the Apple community and for this subject, my love of the law (I have been a legal assistant for over 13 years now at the same firm; they are great).
I really do appreciate the encouragement. Sometimes it is hard to know how many are reading a particular article. And I am really glad you like the humour. My humour is a bit eccentric at times, and not everyone gets it.
Victor J 17th July 2009, 22.30 pm
The real story is why Apple are still doing nothing about PearC who are selling machines that outperform the Apple range with OS X.
dizzle 17th July 2009, 22.50 pm
Hi Victor, I believe I have addressed this with you before, no?
First, how do you know they are doing nothing? Do you work at PearC to know that they have not received any cease and desist letters? Unless you have an inside track with them you don’t know. Let me give you an example. I run an Apple satire fan blog. Let’s say I ran something that ticked Apple off. Would you be able to confidently say that Apple did nothing about it? No, because I could have had ten cease and desist emails for all you know. I have seen them. They are sent pretty routinely.
Second, that is an overseas case and this is an American case. I will not write on things that I know little to nothing about, and since I am ignorant of international law, you will not see me commenting on PearC.
I ask with all politeness that the discussion be kept to the topic of the article which is not PearC.
Thx.
skips 18th July 2009, 20.08 pm
@Victor – If you look at the timing of the Psystar case, it should be evident that Apple either is not directly concerned about people selling hardware that runs Mac OS X or waits until the other company clearly performs actions that are detrimental to Apple’s reputation or intellectual property rights. All of the claims that Apple is attempting to suppress the ability of competitors to sell hardware that is capable of running Mac OS X arise from Psystar and appear (at least in my opinion) to be a smoke screen to prevent the press from seeing the real issues that Apple is pursuing.
Disclaimer: I am just an observer of this spectacle and not associated with the legal profession in any manner.
dizzle 18th July 2009, 22.02 pm
Well I do believe that at least in America that Apple wishes to prevent hardware makers from running OSX…. and ….. I believe they have EVERY right to do that. So far the Court has agreed, at least on trust and monopoly issues. People have become so ignorantly convinced that monopolies are illegal. They aren’t. Coercive monopolies are. Apple is one of many options, one of the main options (Linux and next Google Chrome) are free. We are not “entitled” to Apple’s products or work in which way we please.
The EU may see things differently, I don’t know. But I am an American, this is an American company, and we are dealing with an American case (and my bias is obviously going to be towards an American economic system—though I think our system has already became too socialistic and wish we would move more towards not all out laissez faire capitalize but way further in that direction than we are now).
This is one reason why I have such a strong opinion vis a vis Psystar. I have to give a disclaimer. I do not mean to insult anyone or insinuate that anyone who disagrees with me is “unAmerican.” We all have our own visions of what we would like our country to be. In my worldview and vision, Psystar are parasites upon the system. They can’t create anything of their own so they prey on the successful with whining and trash talk.
Let me give a small example, a personal one. Two friends and I (both of whom I think would probably disagree with me regarding Psystar) own a VBulletin theology forum. Anyone who has started a forum knows that it takes a lot of work to make one successful. With over 15K members and millions of hits a month requiring a dedicated server, I would say we are pretty successful, considering the way we started. How did we start? We three were thrown off of another forum for a disagreement with the owner. That was that owner’s right. It was his forum. So rather than whine and belly-ache about how “suppressed” we were etc, we went and started our own.
Now when people come to TheologyWeb and complain about how unfair we are (as will happen on any forum and we are an extremely lightly moderated forum), we say precisely this:
You don’t like how we run our forum? Go start your own. We have pretty much proven that anyone can do it.
We could have gotten a lot of members by publicly bad-mouthing the other forum. It turns out that some members (under fifty) left with us as they did not like what happened. But if we really whined and moaned long enough we could have siphoned off some more. We didn’t. We did our own thing, and to this day, I don’t mention the name of the other forum nor do I ever deny the owner his right to run it as he sees fit. Even I think it was a crappy thing to do.
I know the analogy is very loose, but I am trying to give an idea of the way I think. If Apple ever pisses me off, well, I buy something else. Simple as that. They do that to enough people, they go out of business.
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